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All credit to Big Brother and http://www.newspeakdictionary.com/ for clearing this matter up:
Michael Moore used the words of Orwell to sum up his film Fahrenheit 9/11. But unfortunately, it appears that the quote really wasn't the actual words of Orwell!
About 1 hour, 8 minutes into the movie version of Ninteen Eighty-Four, Winston reads from "Goldstein's Book"...
"In accordance with the principles of doubthink it does not matter if the war is not real, or when it is, victory is not possible. The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous. The essential act of modern warfare is the destruction of the produce of human labour. A hierarchical society is only possible and the basis of poverty and ignorance. In principle, the war effort is always planned to keep society of the brink of starvation. The war is waged by the ruling group against its own subjects. And its object is not victory over Eurasia or Eastasia, but to keep the very structure of society in tact."
Although this is not exactly what Orwell wrote, the filmakers fairly accurately summed up the ideas presented in the third chapter of Goldstein's Book/, "War is Peace".
For comparison, this is the "quote" from F911...
"It does not matter if the war is not real, or when it is, victory is not possible. The war is not meant to be won, but it is meant to be continuous. A hierarchical society is only possible on the basis of poverty and ignorance. This new version is the past and no different past can ever have existed. In principle the war effort is always planned to keep society on the brink of starvation. The war is waged by the ruling group against its own subjects and its object is not the victory over either Eurasia or Eastasia but to keep the very structure of society in tact"
Here is what was said in F911 (and in the film version of 1984), and what George Orwell actually wrote. Most of the inspiration came from chapter 3 of Goldstein's Book, "War is Peace". But the sources from 1984 are scattered about, are not in the same sequence as presented in the film quote.
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F911/Movie - "It does not matter if the war is not real, or when it is, victory is not possible."
1984 - "Meanwhile no Inner Party member wavers for an instant in his mystical belief that the war is real, and that it is bound to end victoriously, with Oceania the undisputed master of the entire world."
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F911/Movie - "The war is not meant to be won, but it is meant to be continuous."
1984 - "Here it is necessary to repeat what has been said earlier, that by becoming continuous war has fundamentally changed its character"
1984 - "As for the problem of overproduction, which has been latent in our society since the development of machine technique, it is solved by the device of continuous warfare (see Chapter III), which is also useful in keying up public morale to the necessary pitch."
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F911/Movie - "A hierarchical society is only possible on the basis of poverty and ignorance."
1984 - "In the long run, a hierarchical society was only possible on a basis of poverty and ignorance"
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F911 - "This new version is the past and no different past can ever have existed."
1984 - "For when [the past] has been recreated in whatever shape is needed at the moment, then this new version is the past, and no different past can ever have existed."
(This was not in the movie version of the quote. And this is the only part of the quote that does not get its source from Goldstein's Book. This is something Winston said himself.)
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F911/Movie - "In principle the war effort is always planned to keep society on the brink of starvation."
1984 - "In principle the war effort is always so planned as to eat up any surplus that might exist after meeting the bare needs of the population. In practice the needs of the population are always underestimated, with the result that there is a chronic shortage of half the necessities of life; but this is looked on as an advantage."
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F911/Movie - "The war is waged by the ruling group against its own subjects and its object is not the victory over either Eurasia or Eastasia but to keep the very structure of society in tact"
1984 - "The war is waged by each ruling group against its own subjects, and the object of the war is not to make or prevent conquests of territory, but to keep the structure of society intact."
(But F911 added the word "either" in front of Eurasia -- the movie did not say this)
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(noctos) ps and if you don't believe this, go look for the words in the searchable online version of 1984
